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kostolomac · Jun 23, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

@EPO Bot: Your build can be the best , but it doesn't change the fact that you lied to the people you play with. I don't ask people to ping their build to look at icons , I use that when I make mine to max the effectiveness of the team. Your actions gimp the team unless it's an ursan.

Div · Jun 23, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I'd rather use one of the strongest energy management skills in the game over a sub-par one that is only up ~90% of the time.

I like running sub-par monk bars. Why else would you have shadow walk-iron palm-dash on a monk bar? :S

byteme! · Jun 23, 2008, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

I don't ask people to ping their build to look at icons , I use that when I make mine to max the effectiveness of the team. Your actions gimp...

QFT. That's what I meant to say in my earlier post but couldn't come up with the right words.

Dante the Warlord · Jun 23, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Lol well i got kicked once for having healing seed over seed of life. NOW thats a WTF! I rarely use healing seed anyways, it stinks since i run UW HM speed runs where you have 2 ursans.

Alleji · Jun 23, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

ITT scrubs delude themselves that their unique and beautiful snowflake of a build is better than well-known and proven bars.

If you want to switch a utility skill on your bar, let the leader know and if he's reasonable and that skill isn't somehow the cornerstone of the build, he won't care. In fact, a good leader will tell you it's better to customize the bar to what you're more comfortable with.

If you want to run something substantially different, make sure it's ok with the leader or GTFO.

Hailey Anne · Jun 24, 2008, 12:34 AM // 00:34

This is why I don't pug.
I can get through anything with ease with my own builds and H/H while pugs fail with there "proven to work" wiki builds.

JoeKnowMo · Jun 24, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

I've argued with a few leaders on Ursan runs and it's 50/50 as to whether they'll let me run my uber badass LoD build. If they disagree, I play HB and then if anyone dies or we wipe, I'll say, "That wouldn't have happened if I had my LoD bar. But whatever... if you guys like to die..." :P

PUGs bring out my mature side.

[DE] · Jun 24, 2008, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I like running sub-par monk bars. Why else would you have shadow walk-iron palm-dash on a monk bar? :S

I expect you to run that if we ever Urgoz again

Dr Strangelove · Jun 24, 2008, 01:24 AM // 01:24

So, people who are running ursan are deeply concerned with the nuances of build construction down to the slightest variation in skills?

That makes sense.

A11Eur0 · Jun 24, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

I don't mind variations, just don't refuse to run a superior build just out of spite. I have an alliance member who refuses to run HB at all. Well, doing a HM dungeon we were dying left and right because of it. He brought his hero monk, both running WoH builds, and no Seed of Life. Party members were dying left and right. The dude even mentioned halfway through that he was having trouble getting his heals cast on time.

Kusandaa · Jun 24, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

I ask people to ping bars. Why? 'Cause I got ****ed over majorly in some spots. I've learned, over the time, that people will not bother bringing key skills when needed (myself included... everyone makes mistakes). I ask guys to run at least something effective, but I fail to see how HH+HBreeze+Mending+Vig. Spirit is effective on a warrior in FoW. And I've seen it. I dunno, bring defensive skills and let the monk do his/her job... with the ton of ench. shattering in there you'll only make it worse :|.

Ele with Searing/Tenai's Heat, Savannah Heat, Firestorm, Breath of Fire... IN URGOZ? No. Just no. Heavy scattering = party wipe.

I've seen a guy wanting to "arcane echo Healing Breeze or WOH". How effective is that?

And people wonder why we check builds.

If I asked someone to run something effective and suited for the area, I really won't complain. He's running Glyph of Renewal+MS? SF? Dual Attune fire build? All the power to you if I need fire damage... but if I'm facing destroyers I'm expecting them to run water, air, earth...

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

I don't mind variations, just don't refuse to run a superior build just out of spite. I have an alliance member who refuses to run HB at all. Well, doing a HM dungeon we were dying left and right because of it. He brought his hero monk, both running WoH builds, and no Seed of Life. Party members were dying left and right. The dude even mentioned halfway through that he was having trouble getting his heals cast on time.

I run WOH-based builds without problems... I have heroes running WOH as well and really, I don't see a lot of differences with HBoon builds. Personally, I run HBoon with Ursans and I alternate between ZB hybrids, WOH and HBoon outside. No one in my alliance ever complained, a guildie and I run similar builds and really, I can't say we've ever wiped due to lack of heals.

At Mallyx I run WOH 'cause I can't use HBoon there, so when you need the most it's a waste of an elite spot. No enchantments either, so goodbye SOL and Holy Haste (which I tend to run with WOH). I've had 3 monks running the same bar and we didn't fail - mostly alliance groups are FTW.

My typical WoH build:
WoH, Dwayna's Kiss, Words of Comfort, GoLE, Cure Hex, Dismiss Condition, Holy Haste, Res chant. With those heals I have no problem for recharge, I can spam them if needed, I have little to no need for e. management depending on what I'm doing (at most I have 5 sets of weapons, I run with a -5e by default, I have up 70-something energy on my highest)...

Proud Elitist · Jun 24, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Not surprisingly, the mindless ursans don't even notice i have replaced healing seed with spotless mind and gliph of lesser energy with divine spirit for DoA.

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"noobs i know about the wiki cookie cutter builds your familiar with...i however like to stray away from what everyone else is using."

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I don't mind playing with some less efficient skills anyway

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I won't say anything, and I'll be happy to have found a prospectively competent monk.

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Yesterday I went Evil monk on a bunch of Pugs, I changed it and didn't heal just sat there and watch them die at the First group..........the other monk sucked because I could have kept the whole team alive I have been on runs where one monk left and I kept everyone alive

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In general, people that ask others to ping are insecure.

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No, i just use my own build because i like to have a style of my own instead of being identical to every other monk in the game.

God I hate these forums...

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I'd put people like you on my 'not-to-play-with' list.

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If the party leader wants you to run an Echo-Mending Warrior then you either do it or leave the group (I suggest you leave that one).

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He could easily start his own group but would rather be dishonest about it.

All sound advise.

Yichi · Jun 24, 2008, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I like running sub-par monk bars. Why else would you have shadow walk-iron palm-dash on a monk bar? :S

cause ur weird?

zwei2stein · Jun 24, 2008, 06:55 AM // 06:55

Sooo ... much ... failure ...

"my snowflake is superior" + "build changing asshole" + "ursan" ?

fenix · Jun 24, 2008, 07:00 AM // 07:00

If you are missing any of the following;

Healers Boon, Seed of Life, Healing Seed, Heal Party

Then you should not be playing HB. Those are the reason Ursan is so strong. High HP and high Armor level means damage will be low, the Seeds will provide HUGE heals to everyone, and Heal Party catches overflow.

EPO Bot · Jun 24, 2008, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Some people here don't seem to realize the reason why i am forced to "lie": It's impossible to find any party without cookie cutter builds. The same players who whine on the boards about ursan are also the same to kick you for replacing healing seed with divine intervention because you chose to try 16 DF and 13 HP for a change, wile they really don't need to because DI has some obvious other benefits in high damage areas. Ursan has to go, but at the same time any atempt to be creative is bashed into the ground by the exact same people.

Anet stands before an impossible task i think.

Squishy ftw · Jun 24, 2008, 07:30 AM // 07:30

You're not forced to lie. You choose to do so yourself.

If you don't want to run the build the partyleader gives you than gtfo and make your own group.

Or better yet, stop pugging and play with decent players who might understand why you want to make certain changes to a build.

Avarre · Jun 24, 2008, 07:40 AM // 07:40

If you want to run your own build, make your own group. Group leader is in charge, always. It's been this way since 2005.

fenix · Jun 24, 2008, 07:45 AM // 07:45

Yeah, stop trying to blame the efficiency of ursan-way for the reason you are too stubborn to run that specific build. If you want to win the game, just use the cookie cutter. It obviously works, and probably better than your build anyway.

zwei2stein · Jun 24, 2008, 07:46 AM // 07:46

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Some people here don't seem to realize the reason why i am forced to "lie": It's impossible to find any party without cookie cutter builds.

No matter how you present it, you are NOT forced to lie. Honest player with okay build gets place in my party. Self righteous liar does not.

hehe, DLDU

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

The same players who whine on the boards about ursan are also the same to kick you for replacing healing seed with divine intervention because you chose to try 16 DF and 13 HP for a change, wile they really don't need to because DI has some obvious other benefits in high damage areas.

Divine Intervention? Really? Now it seems that we have all the info needed to gauge your player skill/sanity.

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Ursan has to go, but at the same time any atempt to be creative is bashed into the ground by the exact same people.

Its not attempt to be creative that is bashed. It is attempt to be bad at guildwars that is shunned. Because that's what most "creative" people actually do even if they have illusions of being godly player.

That is reason why Ursan came to be: assholes which don't know enough to make good builds who use bad builds from wiki and manage to mod then to be even worse.